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Post by "Wild Child" on Sept 11, 2012 18:15:23 GMT -9
That's what I mean devin. Which class does your moms car fit? What her best ET? If the index started at 8.50 we would step the car up to run 8.40's or 8.50's. The car has been a best of an 8.50 flat at 149.98. Really her car fits best in mod. It isn't nearly quick enough for pro nostalgia, plus its carbed, plus it uses an electronic shiftnoid...
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Post by AkRacer on Sept 12, 2012 7:46:38 GMT -9
Ok, so we set the index at 8.50 any faster and your out. And to change things, all Nostalgia cars which would include Anglia's, willies, Dragsters, Altereds. But no car that HAS EVER run faster then 8.50 is allowed, I'd like to see cars race side by side to the end and no top end games. And no throttle stops. Just some great side by side racing between to equally capable cars and drivers. Look at it this way, most of these cars won't stand a chance in pro-nostalgia, T/S, T/ET, only Mod ET. So why not make a simple class so they can race each other. Call it "8.50 Nostalgia Class". I think we could have maybe 6 to 8 cars already that fit and more would show up if we just keep it a simple class. I'd happy to run side by side with your mom, because either one of us could win. It would be a close great race. I've raced that car before when Ron had it and just barely beat it. We had a blast! I loved racing Ron because I knew at any time he could pull a number on me and he made me run my best of 8.51 to his 8.47 or .48? He was always right there along side of me and it was the best. Ron was a good racer and a joy to race against. He made made you bring your A game. When your running eye ball to eye ball side by side the whole track and then holding your breath for that win light, you'll know what it's like and why I enjoy it more then just bracket racing. That is what this class is for "The Rush".
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Post by White Lightning on Sept 12, 2012 9:58:18 GMT -9
Rob, yours is diffently Nostalgia. The car would look good in the class. But this class won't work as well as I thought it might. It was a dumb idea anyway. We'll just have to see what and who shows up next year.With the way my luck is going right now, I may just be watching my wife run next year. Pretty much the only big $ items that I'm missing are the rear rims and tires. If I had those I'm sure that I could nickle and dime the rest of the things that I need to get it going and be able to run next year. So..... no air or elec shifters? Rob
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Post by AkRacer on Sept 12, 2012 12:35:42 GMT -9
Rob, you can have either air or elec. shifter. Just no delay or crossover boxes. That's one purpose of this class, keep it affordable for more cars. You still need the right safety stuff. But, if you have an old dragster, altered or what ever fits and can afford to put a motor in it, you could race it. It could be an index/bracket class, you just can't run faster then 8.50 or you breakout. I think if the Harris's pump up that small block alittle this winter they could be in the hunt as well. There are several high 8 low 9 second nostalgia cars now, but to race you have to be in Mod ET or a class your at the bottom of with no chance to win. This may work or not I don't know. We'll just have to keep working on it. There are a lot more 8 & 9 second nostalgia cars then there are 7 second Pro-Nostalgia cars. Which class would you feel more comfortable in ?
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Post by "Wild Child" on Sept 12, 2012 13:18:09 GMT -9
Honestly, I think we should do this: Open up pro nostalgia. Indexes from 8:50 to 7:00 Carbs allowed. I don't see why you can't run carbs. Not everyone had Hilborn injection in the 70's. Electric shifters, because some of these cars literally can't be driven without them. Any fuel. Alcohol only is stupid. For all they know, I ran on 110 all year.
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Post by White Lightning on Sept 12, 2012 15:09:05 GMT -9
Rob, you can have either air or elec. shifter. Just no delay or crossover boxes. That's one purpose of this class, keep it affordable for more cars. You still need the right safety stuff. But, if you have an old dragster, altered or what ever fits and can afford to put a motor in it, you could race it. It could be an index/bracket class, you just can't run faster then 8.50 or you breakout. I think if the Harris's pump up that small block alittle this winter they could be in the hunt as well. There are several high 8 low 9 second nostalgia cars now, but to race you have to be in Mod ET or a class your at the bottom of with no chance to win. This may work or not I don't know. We'll just have to keep working on it. There are a lot more 8 & 9 second nostalgia cars then there are 7 second Pro-Nostalgia cars. Which class would you feel more comfortable in ? Like I said, on MY budget it's either Mod or this class. I'd personally love to run this Nostalgia class, it fits right in with what I'm trying to do with the car, which is keeping it as original as possible....it IS the first Dragster to break into the 7's in Alaska after all, so the car has historic value as far as I'm concerned. Good, as far as the shifters is concerned, because I'm setting the car up for an air shifter to be able to run a number. This is sounding perfect for me. ;D Rob
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Post by wdcreech on Sept 12, 2012 17:38:32 GMT -9
Has anyone approached Earl about having this class? I would gladly put my big engine back in and remove the box for a class like this.
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Post by AkRacer on Sept 12, 2012 20:36:29 GMT -9
I am not lining up with a 7 second car, when I'm only running 8.50's... And I don't think many would. Not fair to them or me. Not to mention dangerous.
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Post by White Lightning on Sept 12, 2012 21:16:11 GMT -9
I am not lining up with a 7 second car, when I'm only running 8.50's... And I don't think many would. Not fair to them or me. Not to mention dangerous. X2. That's what this class would be oriented toward, more of a heads up racing situation. Both cars dialed on the same index and launching on the same bulb, unlike the staggered starts of a bracket class where the faster car has an advantage by launching last and playing catch up. Besides, Devin, how many 7 second Nostalgia type cars are there running up here? Seriously, I don't know. Would there even be enough to fill up a field and make it worth having the class? Rob
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Post by White Lightning on Sept 12, 2012 21:20:06 GMT -9
Ok, so we set the index at 8.50 any faster and your out. And to change things, all Nostalgia cars which would include Anglia's, willies, Dragsters, Altereds. But no car that HAS EVER run faster then 8.50 is allowed, I'd like to see cars race side by side to the end and no top end games. And no throttle stops. Just some great side by side racing between to equally capable cars and drivers. Look at it this way, most of these cars won't stand a chance in pro-nostalgia, T/S, T/ET, only Mod ET. So why not make a simple class so they can race each other. Call it "8.50 Nostalgia Class". I think we could have maybe 6 to 8 cars already that fit and more would show up if we just keep it a simple class. I'd happy to run side by side with your mom, because either one of us could win. It would be a close great race. I've raced that car before when Ron had it and just barely beat it. We had a blast! I loved racing Ron because I knew at any time he could pull a number on me and he made me run my best of 8.51 to his 8.47 or .48? He was always right there along side of me and it was the best. Ron was a good racer and a joy to race against. He made made you bring your A game. When your running eye ball to eye ball side by side the whole track and then holding your breath for that win light, you'll know what it's like and why I enjoy it more then just bracket racing. That is what this class is for "The Rush". Exactly. Bring your "A" game and cut a light. Speaking of which, this would be a Pro tree, correct John? Rob
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Post by White Lightning on Sept 12, 2012 21:50:29 GMT -9
Has anyone approached Earl about having this class? I would gladly put my big engine back in and remove the box for a class like this. Excellent, one more for the field. Wouldn't it be great if there were enough cars to have to actually qualify to get into the field?? Realistically, this is as close to a pro style heads up racing as I'll probably ever be able to afford, and I think that a lot of the racers with these older style cars are probably in the same boat. I'm going to venture a guess and say that the more affluent teams have already risen to the pro classes, and my hat's off to them, but what I'm beginning to see here is, while brackets have their place, some of us "old school" racers who came up through the ranks running heads up races would like to go back to that style of racing. Like John says....eyeball to eyeball, same bulb pro tree racing. Miss your tune up and you're off a couple of thousands. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that we might have enough 8.50 Nostalgia cars to make a go of this if there are enough people who are tired of brackets and might want to run some heads up passes. From a spectator perspective: I think that most spectators relate easier to two cars launching together and battling it out side by side down the track. I know I like watching the fuel cars run because it's a "look in one place and see it all" situation. While brackets racing essentially saved drag racing years ago when the separation of the $'s made it almost impossible for the average Joe to compete, it remains an entry level achievable class. Personally I'd like to step it up a notch. Rob
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Post by "Wild Child" on Sept 13, 2012 14:35:50 GMT -9
The biggest thing is getting enough cars. Johm, you don't know if your car will be ready because of money and your wife racing, rob, you don't know whether you will be ready to go or not. I don't know if Tracey Harris will step up that car of jerry's to make it an 8 second car and I know my mOm won't run a class with a pro tree. Might want to get cars before we do class rules. That's why I recommended opening pro nostalgia, because whether or not you old farts(rob and John), show up, that class will still be a go until you do show up. Earl won't want to start a class and have the first weekend be a 2 car grudge match.
And why not run against a 7 second car? All classes have cars with 1 second plus gaps. Robert Wilson faces Toni prokish and that's a 1 1/4 second gap. As it would be for an 8.50 car against the two faster nostalgia cars( Ralph and Dixon). You open that nostalgia class up and that would be a BAD class. 10-16 cars, all 8.50 -7's. All bad ass, all old school. Hell, of the class was that big, mom would even go for a pro tree. Anything to have a chance to beat her son.
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Post by "Wild Child" on Sept 13, 2012 14:39:14 GMT -9
And if youre saying you don't want to line up against a 7 second car in an 8.50 car because of the 7.60 index. I agree. That's why I said to have indexes ever tenth or two tenth's. 8.50 car to the FASTEST nostalgia car at 7.37 Not much of a gap, and I know Dixon would love to chase.
And as far as dangerous, if you're scared of getting hurt, you're in ye wrong sport. Id line up against Ralph or Dixon or Roy any day of the week. The class rules say 'no boundaries', bu we all race as of they still apply.
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Post by White Lightning on Sept 13, 2012 15:18:40 GMT -9
I could be wrong but I don't think that a new class would be instantaneous. Hell, I haven't shoed a car down this particular track in almost 11 years and I may be a little out of the loop but I would think that it would take a seasons worth of structuring and cars being readied for the next season, I could be wrong. Any way, the idea of running within a .010 index is what I think we are all talking about here. That makes the cars run door to door. Problem is having enough cars that would be able to run that particular tenth. If not then it's just bracket racing with a (possible) staggered start. Hence the one particular index. Like an 8.50. Not difficult to do, just tune the car to run that #. I'm thinking that there would be enough older iron from MOD that would be able to run the # And I think that the word "Nostalgia" would be a crowd draw, how ever it ends up getting used. Putting on a good show and drawing a crowd for Earl is still what it's about because that's what is going to keep the gates open. Rob
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Post by wdcreech on Sept 13, 2012 19:50:19 GMT -9
Rob, What you need to do is contact the owners of all the cars that could qualify and see how many would be interested in a "Nostalgia" 8.50 (or possibly 8.60) index heads-up class, then take your findings to Earl to see how he feels about it. I'm sure you can get enough takers, including me, for one. By the way, Happy Birthday!
Bill
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