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Post by White Lightning on Sept 13, 2012 20:28:25 GMT -9
Rob, What you need to do is contact the owners of all the cars that could qualify and see how many would be interested in a "Nostalgia" 8.50 (or possibly 8.60) index heads-up class, then take your findings to Earl to see how he feels about it. I'm sure you can get enough takers, including me, for one. By the way, Happy Birthday! Bill Thank you very much Bill! Well, I've not spent very much time out at the track over the last few years so I'm afraid that I don't really know very many people. Devin or John would probably be the better choice to network the word. But that's exactly what I'm talking about, a 8.50 or 8.60 index heads up class. That is REALLY attractive to me. Every body else.....we can see you lurking out there....SPEAK UP! What do you think??? Rob
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Post by ProStreetNova on Sept 16, 2012 14:56:52 GMT -9
Devin, why do you keep bring up this Pro Nostalgia class. That has to be the biggest joke for ARP that came out for a class. 7.60 Index Heads-up, Old School, Chicago Style, Blaa blaa blaa. Where the hell were they, are they still being built ? I didn't see any of the 7.60 cars run. Oh I saw a 7 second run from one of the Top Eliminators, was that the class ?
Not sure what you run in your Farm Truck there, but a 8.50 class would definitely be much better. Maybe the so called Pro Nostalgia guys could run 8.50's at least, course thats if they fit the class.
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Post by White Lightning on Sept 16, 2012 16:00:36 GMT -9
I think that Devin is shooting for a 7.50 ET and he just doesn't want to de-tune the truck to run the slower class. He just needs to stop and think that running a 8.50/8.60 is less expensive and a lot easier on parts. Kids...... Rob
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Post by "Wild Child" on Sept 16, 2012 18:16:03 GMT -9
I think that Devin is shooting for a 7.50 ET and he just doesn't want to de-tune the truck to run the slower class. He just needs to stop and think that running a 8.50/8.60 is less expensive and a lot easier on parts. Kids...... Rob What im shooting for isnt the point. The point is, if we can open up that nostalgia class and have index's every tenth 8.50 8.40 8.30 8.20 all the way down until 7.00. That way the class would be fair and everyone would have a chance of winning. So say Rob is running consistant 8.48's and im running 7.90's Rob's index would be 8.50 and mine would be 7.90 staggard pro tree, he has JUST as much chance of winning as I do. Still running the "CHEAP" 8.60's range. That would expand that class, get more competition, and make it more of a crowd pleaser.
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Post by "Wild Child" on Sept 16, 2012 18:19:02 GMT -9
Devin, why do you keep bring up this Pro Nostalgia class. That has to be the biggest joke for ARP that came out for a class. 7.60 Index Heads-up, Old School, Chicago Style, Blaa blaa blaa. Where the hell were they, are they still being built ? I didn't see any of the 7.60 cars run. Oh I saw a 7 second run from one of the Top Eliminators, was that the class ? Not sure what you run in your Farm Truck there, but a 8.50 class would definitely be much better. Maybe the so called Pro Nostalgia guys could run 8.50's at least, course thats if they fit the class. I don't know what you watched. Ralph runs 7.60's-7.40's all day Dixon ran a 7.37 and consistent 7.60's Roy Rank ran consistent 7's KC Hooks ran consistant 7's. I don't know if its that you guys are scared to be chased by a 7 second car or what, but if fear or money are issues for you, the YMCA has open swim teams. and to be completely honest, we dont need to have 10 classes of 6 cars a piece. Just a longer wait for a trophy after the races. look at a class like this: Ralph beitter: blown nova John Dixon: Blown fiat kc hooks: cougar jim lackey: willy's Clint VanNoy (if he was interested) Devin Welsh: Blown pick up Roy Rank: Injected altered John Crump: Injected FED Brian aszmus: Injected altered Jennifer hansen: carb'd altered Rob Hawes: carb'd dragster Chris Richardson: Blown Mustang Bill Creech: Carb'd GTO HELL, we might even be able to get candy man or Jay goodie into the class. Thats a list of names i would LOVE to run against. Especially my mom, because she would do everything in her power to win against me.
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Post by White Lightning on Sept 17, 2012 7:42:49 GMT -9
I think that Devin is shooting for a 7.50 ET and he just doesn't want to de-tune the truck to run the slower class. He just needs to stop and think that running a 8.50/8.60 is less expensive and a lot easier on parts. Kids...... Rob What im shooting for isnt the point. The point is, if we can open up that nostalgia class and have index's every tenth 8.50 8.40 8.30 8.20 all the way down until 7.00. That way the class would be fair and everyone would have a chance of winning. So say Rob is running consistant 8.48's and im running 7.90's Rob's index would be 8.50 and mine would be 7.90 staggard pro tree, he has JUST as much chance of winning as I do. Still running the "CHEAP" 8.60's range. That would expand that class, get more competition, and make it more of a crowd pleaser. I understand what you're saying Devin. The only thing that I was trying to do was get away from the staggered tree.....but that's just a personal preference. I also wouldn't mind running in a class of just Dragsters and Altereds but there isn't enough of that type of car to make it work either..... I don't think. Still, I'd vote for the heads up index. What ever my car ends up running I'd just tune for the index. Also, having all those cars in one index would shorten the trophy line too. So, Devin, you know all those people, get on the phone and see if they would want to run that class and what ET they would want to run. Realistically, I don't know what my car will run. According to my simulator it will run mid 7's but I'm not trusting that. If it does I can still de-tune it to run mid 8's. Rob
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Post by "Wild Child" on Sept 17, 2012 7:57:00 GMT -9
Yeah, and each person having a personal index would make it competitive and as of this year, pro nostalgia is the only class I've seen at ARP that is a heads up class. Even top eliminator has a staggered start between cars.
I know beitter and Dixon are both down for whatever. They just enjoy running and I'm pretty sure KC and Jim lackey would like a personal index because as it stands now, Dixon and better can have half ass passes and still out run jimmy, and myself.
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Post by White Lightning on Sept 17, 2012 8:42:48 GMT -9
So, with a heads up index, how many cars will there be for any one index? Seems like it would end up being that you might have one or 2 or 3 cars and that's not much fun. Grudge running the same few cars every week. Rob
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Post by "Wild Child" on Sept 17, 2012 8:45:57 GMT -9
That's the thing. It wouldn't be heads up.
You have a personal index of 8.50 I have a personal index of 7.90
We run eachother, you will get. 0.60 staggered start.
It's a heads up class right now and it sucks. My truck won't even cert to as fast as Ralph and Dixon are running.
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Post by "Wild Child" on Sept 17, 2012 8:46:54 GMT -9
It's basically like a dial in, only you have them every .10 and you can break out and still win.
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Post by ax87 on Sept 17, 2012 14:01:23 GMT -9
Devin, why do you keep bring up this Pro Nostalgia class. That has to be the biggest joke for ARP that came out for a class. 7.60 Index Heads-up, Old School, Chicago Style, Blaa blaa blaa. Where the hell were they, are they still being built ? I didn't see any of the 7.60 cars run. Oh I saw a 7 second run from one of the Top Eliminators, was that the class ? Not sure what you run in your Farm Truck there, but a 8.50 class would definitely be much better. Maybe the so called Pro Nostalgia guys could run 8.50's at least, course thats if they fit the class. I don't know what you watched. Ralph runs 7.60's-7.40's all day Dixon ran a 7.37 and consistent 7.60's Roy Rank ran consistent 7's KC Hooks ran consistant 7's. I don't know if its that you guys are scared to be chased by a 7 second car or what, but if fear or money are issues for you, the YMCA has open swim teams. and to be completely honest, we dont need to have 10 classes of 6 cars a piece. Just a longer wait for a trophy after the races. look at a class like this: Ralph beitter: blown nova John Dixon: Blown fiat kc hooks: cougar jim lackey: willy's Clint VanNoy (if he was interested) Devin Welsh: Blown pick up Roy Rank: Injected altered John Crump: Injected FED Brian aszmus: Injected altered Jennifer hansen: carb'd altered Rob Hawes: carb'd dragster Chris Richardson: Blown Mustang Bill Creech: Carb'd GTO HELL, we might even be able to get candy man or Jay goodie into the class. Thats a list of names i would LOVE to run against. Especially my mom, because she would do everything in her power to win against me. I am interested, but I run with a carb. Monte Soper would have run this class too, but he was told his car was an altered, and because it was not "Center Drive" and his steering wheel was on the left hand side, he didn't qualify. (And this is when he had an injection system on it) So... This class is all f%&*ed up in my opinion. After all the drama of getting Top Dragster and Top ET combined, I doubt you will get too much excitement out of ARP management. They were put through the ringer from the last class change. Personally, I don't give a crap, I will run against anybody if I think I stand a chance of winning. Running heads up against Dixon, the only chance I have is him breaking parts. Not real good odds, so I wont do it. I loved racing against the Lackey driven Willys, but I knew we were very closely matched ET wise. Wouldn't have been as much fun if he was in the sevens. And if you start running handicap starts, why not just run MOD then. Whats the difference? There should be 2 classes at ARP; Electronics, and Non-Electronics. PERIOD! No bullshit about index this, or super that, or pro-nostalgia that, or any other thing. Why can't we be like other tracks? Put a dial-in on the window and line'em up. Pretty simple really. Poor Earl is trying to satisfy the 5 cars in the state that run in the sevens, but we are losing the 30 cars that are slow 8,9 and 10 seconds. Makes no sense to me. The KOS class is a complete joke. The whiners of the world pretty much killed it. "Oh so and so has tires that are 1/2 inch too wide, or he doesn't have W/S wipers he shouldn't be able to race", and a dozen other complaints that eventually killed it. Now nobody shows up for fear of not being able to pass tech. I was going to bring my Camaro for the last one because I said I would, but my seat belts are outdated. Didn't feel like getting into a debate with anybody for my weekend of fun, and the weather proved it wouldn't have been worth the effort anyway. Point is: Too many rules for a "street car" event. Two classes for 4 wheeled vehicles, Electronics and NON-Electronics. Take all your PRO stuff and cram it. You wanna race me? Put a dial in on the window and lets go. (Dial in or index, call it whatever you want) I am just happy to have a track at that I can race at.
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Post by oldbluegoat on Sept 17, 2012 14:20:20 GMT -9
I remember when you put the dial on the window and ran who or what ever lined up next to you this was in the late 70s and early 80s first trophy I won was against Clarence Lemays dragster. What a run I was at 3/4 track and saw the front end come up and he was there didn't know who won till I got the white slip. Clarence was a fine man and one great racer. I was alwase ready to race what ever was in the lane next to me. the box no box is a good deal. classess are a lot closer together today and it makes it better for the fans.
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Post by "Wild Child" on Sept 17, 2012 14:46:46 GMT -9
Clint VanNoy for president.
I'd love to do a box, no box thing, but I know personally, I couldn't hot lap in mod. No way. Maybe do like no box is 8.50 and slower, box is anyone with a box and everyone faster than 8.50 with no box in an quick class. Then keep top eliminators in their own thing.
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Post by scott9x33 on Sept 17, 2012 21:13:09 GMT -9
I'm with Clint ... 2 classes , box/nobox.... I talked to mark about being so anal about all the rules for kos ... The class can make it just don't be so tough with the tech....
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Post by AkRacer on Sept 18, 2012 7:51:22 GMT -9
I agree with Clint. This discussion is F&$@'d up. It started as an Idea, just thinking out loud. for some OLD style Small Block Nostalgia Dragsters and Altereds running each other for fun. and has just turned to S$&t. 7 second cars racing 12 second cars on a heads up-index-bracket race, with a pro tree I would guess. Anyway, for me, this discussion is dead.
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